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Miami Herald, The (FL)
2007-11-08
Edition: FL
Page: B6

MIAMI-DADE COUNTY COMMISSION: Dade urges renewing assault-arms ban
Miami-Dade lobbyists will urge Congress to renew an assault weapons ban the president let expire three years ago.
CHARLES RABIN, crabin@MiamiHerald.com

Miami-Dade County commissioners on Tuesday joined a growing chorus to reinstate the assault weapons ban that President Bush let expire in 2004.

The commission ordered their lobbyists to pressure Congress to renew the law, and urged the Florida Legislature to institute a ban on assault weapons, and to lift a preemption in place that keeps local governments from imposing the ban.

Murders with the high-powered, quick-shot weapons have been on a steady rise throughout most big cities in the nation since 2004. But locally, it was the September death of Miami-Dade police Officer Jose Somohano in South Dade at the hands of Shawn LaBeet's modified Mak-90 that caught the attention of police and politicians.

LaBeet owned nine guns -- six of them assault weapons.

Despite Somohano's death and a recent rash of murders blamed on assault weapons, Miami-Dade likely has a steep hill to climb in convincing state lawmakers to set new parameters on weapons.

"I doubt the Legislature will do either one," said Eustis Republican Sen. Carey Baker, a gun-shop owner. "This type of gun control probably isn't constitutional, it doesn't keep criminals from committing crimes, and it's really unpopular."

NRA INFLUENCE

Republican House Rep. Julio Robaina of South Miami supports a ban, but said "it will be a war in Tallahassee with the NRA [National Rifle Association] to pass legislation to ban any type of weapon."

The assault weapons have become so easily found in South Florida, and are so affordable, that Miami Police Detective Delrish Moss said he's heard they're being sold from the trunks of cars for as little as $200 or $300.

Also joining the call to reinstate the ban was Miami-Dade's police union chief John Rivera, who said that while he supports the right to bear arms, "I do not believe there's a place in society for certain assault weapons, an AK-47 is one of them. It was blue-printed for war."

Calls for reform became loud and clear after the Somohano shooting, which left three other Miami-Dade officers injured.

Miami Police Chief John Timoney authorized his officers to carry similar weapons. Three days later the International Chiefs of Police issued a report calling for the bans' reinstatement.

Timoney called the sunsetting of the ban 'a friggin' disgrace." Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Alvarez also supports a ban. The former county police director said he's noticed an increase in assault weapons on the black market. He also said "while I strongly support the Second Amendment, we must get illegal guns off the streets."

WEAPONS FOR OFFICERS

So far, according to Moss, his department has bought 27 assault weapons for its officers, and has another 30 ordered. None are on the street yet, as staff moves ahead at implementing policy.

In Miami-Dade on Tuesday, the commission's resolution focused on how semiautomatic assault weapons like Uzis and AK-47s are designed for military purposes and are "the weapons of choice for gang members, drug dealers and other dangerous criminals."

The commission voted 8-3, with Chairman Bruno Barreiro, and commissioners Rebeca Sosa and Jose "Pepe" Diaz voting against the measure. Barbara Jordan and Javier Souto were absent. The resolution was sponsored by Jordan, and commissioners Audrey Edmonson, Carlos Gimenez, Dorrin Rolle and Katy Sorenson.

Miami's murders attributed to the dangerous firearms have jumped from two in 2004, to 14 in 2005, and "already well above that number this year," according to Moss.

In unincorporated Miami-Dade, 18 people were killed with assault weapons last year and 11 have died so far this year. Sosa said she's open to changing her vote if she can be convinced by experts that it will cut down on crime. Barreiro, who owns a pair of guns, said he doesn't believe that eliminating guns would stop assaults.

"People are, unfortunately, the ones who kill people," said the commission chairman.

COMMISSIONER'S VIEW

Diaz, who has a gun permit, said he simply believes in the Second Amendment, the right to bear arms.

"If you're going to create harm, you're going to do it with any weapon," he said.

Frustrated the assault weapon ban was permitted to sunset, the states of California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York all have passed laws making them illegal.

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[info]blishlock

November 10 2007, 15:36:58 UTC 4 years ago

Hate to sound jaded, but I'm beginning to see that newspapers bleating for a renewed AWB is just a sign of a slow news day.

It's filler for when they don't have an ad to put in that space.

FL folks should keep their eyes and ears open, but I'm not seeing it as a time to panic. Yet.

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[info]daddygod

November 10 2007, 15:46:09 UTC 4 years ago

Why aren't we out there looking for the guy to score some cheap rifles?

[info]jb_27

November 10 2007, 16:24:24 UTC 4 years ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is selling a legal firearm out of your trunk illegal? It's a private party transfer.

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[info]praecorloth

November 10 2007, 17:49:51 UTC 4 years ago

AKs here in Minneapolis can be had for as low as $400 last I checked. Then again, I may just shop at a really cool gun store.

[info]mattcaron

November 12 2007, 18:16:10 UTC 4 years ago

I've seen WASR-10's at gun shows in NY state for $325, cash price, from a dealer, tax included.

[info]jb_27

November 10 2007, 19:42:41 UTC 4 years ago

The $200-400 price for an AK didnt't strike me as too unusual. It's probably not a Yugo or an Arsenal, though.

[info]doctorogenki

November 10 2007, 17:48:24 UTC 4 years ago

Selling out of your trunk is fine.

Selling stolen goods, especially stolen guns, out of your trunk is not.

Chances are very high that all these 'street guns' were stolen.

[info]praecorloth

November 10 2007, 17:50:29 UTC 4 years ago

We should put a ban on selling stolen guns. That'll stop them. :)

[info]doctorogenki

November 10 2007, 18:11:59 UTC 4 years ago

Brilliant!

[info]chthonia

November 10 2007, 20:08:13 UTC 4 years ago

Yeah, we also put a ban on shooting people. If we ban that, they'll stop doing it, right?

[info]redbearde

4 years ago

[info]jb_27

November 10 2007, 19:40:45 UTC 4 years ago

Fair enough.

[info]madkiwi

November 10 2007, 15:57:53 UTC 4 years ago

The tone of the whole piece was just awful. No definition of what an assault weapon is, so saying crimes committed with assault weapons is increasing is meaningless if some of the firearms were Glocks with so-called "high capacity clips".

Then making it sound like CA, HI, CT etc passed laws banning firearms in reaction to the AWB sunsetting. Simple fact-checking in newspaper articles should be mandatory.

I'd like to propose a law fining newspapers for printing lies, where readers can collect a small fine (say $500) from the publisher in small claims each time they can document printed articles have factual errors and hyperbolic emotionalism.

[info]vorzer

November 11 2007, 13:42:57 UTC 4 years ago

Yeah, those laws in those states were all pre existing

[info]sergeantbrother

November 10 2007, 16:01:47 UTC 4 years ago

When people talk about outlawing assault weapons, they show a fundamental lack of understanding (or perhaps merely contempt for) the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment doesn't give us the right to shoot varmints - its the right to protect ourselves from people who would violate our rights - especially the government.

[info]makarov

November 10 2007, 21:07:48 UTC 4 years ago

but sergeantbrother

isn't varmint a good word to describe people who would violate our rights

[info]ilcylic

November 10 2007, 16:55:49 UTC 4 years ago

The assault weapons have become so easily found in South Florida, and are so affordable, that Miami Police Detective Delrish Moss said he's heard they're being sold from the trunks of cars for as little as $200 or $300.

Shit, sounds like I need to take a road trip down to Florida! Best price I've found in Shotgun News was like, $375 + shipping & FFL!

Miami-Dade County commissioners on Tuesday joined a growing chorus to reinstate the assault weapons ban that President Bush let expire in 2004.

The commission ordered their lobbyists to pressure Congress to renew the law, and urged the Florida Legislature to institute a ban on assault weapons, and to lift a preemption in place that keeps local governments from imposing the ban.


So... These people, who are presumably paid with tax money, are sending lobbyists, who are also presumably being paid with tax money, to swing the vote of the Congress to take away my ability to purchase yet another class of firearm. I hope the next time there's a hurricane, these people choose to stay home and drown.

[info]chthonia

November 10 2007, 20:09:32 UTC 4 years ago

Won't they be surprised if they re-instate the ban verbatim and discover it never included AK-47s.

[info]3fgburner

November 10 2007, 22:56:18 UTC 4 years ago

Ya know...

I wonder if they're talking about SKSs, maybe. I could see those going for $200, if the seller were really overchanging.

[info]mattcaron

November 12 2007, 18:18:22 UTC 4 years ago

And then we, the NRA/GOA/JPFO/SAF members pay them (or their political/legislative action wings) to lobby the other way...

Sounds like a huge business to me...

[info]doctorogenki

November 10 2007, 17:49:32 UTC 4 years ago

It cracks me up that they want new laws to target people who are protected by the 5th amendment against those exact laws.

[info]kizayaen

November 10 2007, 18:40:46 UTC 4 years ago

Cracking up is about the last reaction it gives me, personally. :/

[info]3fgburner

November 10 2007, 23:12:29 UTC 4 years ago

From the same rag...

Boy, 15, shot dead during burglary in North Miami

It isn't until you read the story, that you find out that the boy was ONE OF THE BURGLARS!!!!

The commentary so far, though, is priceless.

Full text, for the registraphobic:
BY ERIKA BERAS
eberas@MiamiHerald.com

A 15-year-old boy died from a gunshot wound early Saturday morning after he and another suspect tried to burglarize a home in North Miami, police said.

The owner of the home, described as a business, apparently confronted the two burglary suspects after they were spotted on the property.

Details of the shooting were unclear, but police arrived to find the boy lying in front of the residence with a gunshot wound.

Police notified emergency rescue workers, who were unable to save the teen, according to a statement released by the North Miami Police Department.

The dead teen was identified as Paul-Marc Petit.

The other suspect, who was not identified by North Miami police, was apprehended and charged with felony murder, burglary and theft.

[info]heypete

November 11 2007, 17:45:25 UTC 4 years ago

In Miami-Dade on Tuesday, the commission's resolution focused on how semiautomatic assault weapons like Uzis and AK-47s are designed for military purposes and are "the weapons of choice for gang members, drug dealers and other dangerous criminals."

Right, because the folks who designed the Uzi and AK as a military weapon specifically designed them to be semi-auto. Last time I checked, there are exactly zero militaries using semi-auto Uzis and AKs.

A semi-auto Uzi is basically a large, heavy pistol. A semi-auto AK is a moderately compact rifle shooting an intermediate cartridge. Whoopee!

The fact that an item is a "[item] of choice" for a certain group is not indicative of any problems with the item in question, but is rather indicative of the mindset of the group. Saying "a minivan is the vehicle of choice for soccer moms" implies only that a majority of soccer moms prefer driving a minivan over other vehicles, nothing else.

The article says "
Miami's murders attributed to the dangerous firearms...
" Er. Aren't all firearms dangerous if mis-used?

I have a few questions (to which I probably already know the answers):
- How many criminals are using so-called "assault arms" to commit crimes? What is the comparison between this number and the number of total armed criminal acts?
- Does that comparison really indicate that they're a "weapon of choice" of criminals?
- If the city is so concerned about these guns being the "weapon of choice" of criminals, why don't they run PSAs to try to change the criminal's opinions to a less-dangerous gun (like, say, a TEC-9 or something equally unreliable)? If Coca-Cola can do it, why can't Miami?
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